president obama is upping the ante in the delicate fiscal of talk. confirming today the white house making no concessions with republicans and taking a hard line on new taxes. the latest proposal includes over one half trillion dollars tax increase, double the republicans want, and it wanted up-front. also $50 billion in new stimulus spending. they want to raise the federal debt limit without congressional approval. no spending let's. the brakes are off. with more on this, the ag holds 18, president of american action far and former cbo director. welcome to you both. i just want to mention a couple of other things that are in this proposal which frankly shocked me. the payroll tax break continues. we have bipartisan agreement that it would expire. and then a permanent increase in the debt limit. we said that. a one-year extension of expanded jobless benefits. the list goes on and on. it's like a christmas tree. >> i think it's very unfortunate there was a moment not too long ago when we thought there was a fair amount of consensus of apparel taxol th